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ok thank you for the info, I thought it was a mistake since if I remember correctly in the past it worked so I immediately wrote it mainly after your communication regarding POI errors with another user
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since as I read the comments there is a problem with the Terrain Map plugin, so I'm writing to you straight away

I tried to find a place where I could pull Khazâd Skarn ore in a relatively small area, and after a long search on the web, I found such a place. one is about Tumun-ghâr and Fulz-zahar crafting instances in the Redhorn Lodes so I set up a custom POI in the Terrain Map plug-in. checked whether custom POIs created in the Terrain Map plugin will also be in MoorMap. I opened MoorMap and I clicked on the search and I entered the word "khazad ore" into the search bar, but I didn't find anything, so I checked it in the Terrain Map plug-in with the same result, and I see the icon I created.
Hi, that is a current limitation of the search functions in both MoorMap and TerrainMap. Since custom annotations are stored separately and in a different file type due to limitations on file usage, the search engine does not currently have access to custom annotations. This is something that has been on the ToDo list as part of revamping custom annotations in MoorMap and implementing them in TerrainMap. They will be included in the global search at some point but that functionality has not yet been implemented. Note, this functionality has been implemented for the local search (currently displayed map) in MoorMap (the silver magnifying glass icon), just not the global search (all maps, gold search icon).
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since as I read the comments there is a problem with the Terrain Map plugin, so I'm writing to you straight away

I tried to find a place where I could pull Khazâd Skarn ore in a relatively small area, and after a long search on the web, I found such a place. one is about Tumun-ghâr and Fulz-zahar crafting instances in the Redhorn Lodes so I set up a custom POI in the Terrain Map plug-in. checked whether custom POIs created in the Terrain Map plugin will also be in MoorMap. I opened MoorMap and I clicked on the search and I entered the word "khazad ore" into the search bar, but I didn't find anything, so I checked it in the Terrain Map plug-in with the same result, and I see the icon I created.

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Re: Re: Re: Annotations gone!

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1: I do not have MoorMap, but I might get it in the future, um, for future references.
2: I used Corel Paintshop to look at the tga's. They look fine albeit very tiny. ha
3: I panned around the map quite a bit, no errors (it's enabled in the chat tab).
4: Based on #3, I was (pleasantly?) surprised to see that in Mordor, and a few POIs I had acknowledged in Gondor, had my personal flags still showing up! I had not done a lot of posting in Eriador/Rhovani as I was focusing mostly on Elderslade/Ered Mithrin territories. Maybe the updated tiles with actual terrain caused my annotations to not show up some how? That's where I had been putting quite a bit of my attention to since my "main" four characters do not like to revisit a chest or cache.

So, I suppose my characters will just have to revisit and re-annotate. Unless I can somehow get the plugindata to pop in. Just must have been something I did. <shrug>
Since you are able to see some of your prior custom POIs, the icon is not the issue. It seems that something went wrong with the .pluginData files. It may still be worth pursuing this a bit further in case whatever happen could happen again. I will send you more detailed instructions in a private message.
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Re: How to report map problems to SSG

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I just happend on two false tiles surrounding weathertop, as can be seen in https://i.imgur.com/7TO0duZ.png. In the gamemap it seems as if the tile where terrain map has the empty space is repeated below, on both sides of the mountain.

How is the best way to report something like this to SSG? Under "New Ticket" there is nothing which seems appropriate.
Hi, those are indeed invalid tiles, however, you are using an outdated version of TerrainMap. Those two issues (and a dozen or so similar tiles scattered about Eriador and Mordor) are addressed in ver 1.29 and were already reported to SSG so there is no need to report them again. Once you update to ver 1.29, if you do run across any other oddities, please report them here. By reporting them here, I can not only fix TerrainMap but I also visit the location in-game to verify that the in-game resource is incorrect/duplicated and then I report it to SSG with the resource ID that is missing as well as which resource seems to have been duplicated so that they can track it down and fix it at their end.

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How to report map problems to SSG

I just happend on two false tiles surrounding weathertop, as can be seen in https://i.imgur.com/7TO0duZ.png. In the gamemap it seems as if the tile where terrain map has the empty space is repeated below, on both sides of the mountain.

How is the best way to report something like this to SSG? Under "New Ticket" there is nothing which seems appropriate.
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Unread 02-05-2021, 03:19 PM  
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Re: Re: Annotations gone!

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I did not use any special loading procedures (afaik). I clicked on the Download button, and let the Windows extract the zip file into the Plugin folder that I have used before (like for V1.28).

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins

The plugindata files have data as you describe inside (example of the first one on the list):

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\PluginData\darold\AllServers

The plugin extracts into "GaranStuff"

TM_Cust_Annot_1_5_29.plugindata (dated 2/2/2021 7:46 PM)

return
{
["1"] = "1_31_7_152_73_55_Treasure%20cache_Found%20by%3a%2 0Nevien"
}

I have Terrainmap load automatically for some characters. I started Nevien and right-clicked the map. The box shows all selected with a check mark except "Show All", "Hide All", and "Barber".

Information in Game Tab (I picked one... lots of Terrainmap usage.)

You are on Landroval server 65 at r2 lx863 ly1527 ox147.05 oy154.63 oz630.05 h5.6. Game timestamp 433198960.515.

I would take a screen shot, if you think one or more would help, but I don't see how to attach any images to messages.

I also turned off auto-load, tried other characters with "/plugin load terrainmap", but still just the Terrainmap POIs. dangit... what am I doing wrong? /plugins list shows 1.29.

I really like that I can see actual terrain now instead of just blank squares! Thanks for a super plugin!
I must admit, this one has me puzzled. I created a .pluginData file using the info you posted and the POI displayed quite nicely right next to the Treasure Cache in Forochel. So, the good news is, it appears that your custom annotations still exist - or at least the one you used as a sample, they are just not displaying for some bizarre reason.

Since you verified that the display setting is correct, the next possible culprit to verify is the actual icon image. The custom POI icon actually consists of three possible image files (well, only two are actually used at this point, the third is for a possible future enhancement, but all three should exist). Please open File Explorer and navigate to the folder "Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\TerrainMap\Resources"
where "Documents" is your "My Documents" folder. There will be lots of files in this folder, but the three in question are:
CPOI_icon.tga
CPOI25.tga
CPOI50.tga
please verify that all three of these files exist and that you can double click them to open them (do not alter them, just open them to make sure you have access and they are not somehow corrupted).
Please let me know the result.

Please also be sure that the Errors channel is enabled in your chat window and look to see if any errors occur as you move the map around an area that should have a custom annotation - right click the tab on your chat, click "Change Filters" and verify that "Errors" is checked. If there is an issue with the icon file it should be generating an error message. You will have to temporarily resize TerrainMap to see the chat as you scroll around to see if any error messages are occurring.

Also, so that I can try to replicate the issue, do you also have MoorMap? If so, what version? This is the only other plugin that interacts with TerrainMap and should not be causing an issue but I want to be sure I am testing with the same environment that you have.

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1: I do not have MoorMap, but I might get it in the future, um, for future references.
2: I used Corel Paintshop to look at the tga's. They look fine albeit very tiny. ha
3: I panned around the map quite a bit, no errors (it's enabled in the chat tab).
4: Based on #3, I was (pleasantly?) surprised to see that in Mordor, and a few POIs I had acknowledged in Gondor, had my personal flags still showing up! I had not done a lot of posting in Eriador/Rhovani as I was focusing mostly on Elderslade/Ered Mithrin territories. Maybe the updated tiles with actual terrain caused my annotations to not show up some how? That's where I had been putting quite a bit of my attention to since my "main" four characters do not like to revisit a chest or cache.

So, I suppose my characters will just have to revisit and re-annotate. Unless I can somehow get the plugindata to pop in. Just must have been something I did. <shrug>
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Unread 02-04-2021, 04:21 PM  
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Re: Annotations gone!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darold034
I did not use any special loading procedures (afaik). I clicked on the Download button, and let the Windows extract the zip file into the Plugin folder that I have used before (like for V1.28).

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins

The plugindata files have data as you describe inside (example of the first one on the list):

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\PluginData\darold\AllServers

The plugin extracts into "GaranStuff"

TM_Cust_Annot_1_5_29.plugindata (dated 2/2/2021 7:46 PM)

return
{
["1"] = "1_31_7_152_73_55_Treasure%20cache_Found%20by%3a%2 0Nevien"
}

I have Terrainmap load automatically for some characters. I started Nevien and right-clicked the map. The box shows all selected with a check mark except "Show All", "Hide All", and "Barber".

Information in Game Tab (I picked one... lots of Terrainmap usage.)

You are on Landroval server 65 at r2 lx863 ly1527 ox147.05 oy154.63 oz630.05 h5.6. Game timestamp 433198960.515.

I would take a screen shot, if you think one or more would help, but I don't see how to attach any images to messages.

I also turned off auto-load, tried other characters with "/plugin load terrainmap", but still just the Terrainmap POIs. dangit... what am I doing wrong? /plugins list shows 1.29.

I really like that I can see actual terrain now instead of just blank squares! Thanks for a super plugin!
I must admit, this one has me puzzled. I created a .pluginData file using the info you posted and the POI displayed quite nicely right next to the Treasure Cache in Forochel. So, the good news is, it appears that your custom annotations still exist - or at least the one you used as a sample, they are just not displaying for some bizarre reason.

Since you verified that the display setting is correct, the next possible culprit to verify is the actual icon image. The custom POI icon actually consists of three possible image files (well, only two are actually used at this point, the third is for a possible future enhancement, but all three should exist). Please open File Explorer and navigate to the folder "Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins\GaranStuff\TerrainMap\Resources"
where "Documents" is your "My Documents" folder. There will be lots of files in this folder, but the three in question are:
CPOI_icon.tga
CPOI25.tga
CPOI50.tga
please verify that all three of these files exist and that you can double click them to open them (do not alter them, just open them to make sure you have access and they are not somehow corrupted).
Please let me know the result.

Please also be sure that the Errors channel is enabled in your chat window and look to see if any errors occur as you move the map around an area that should have a custom annotation - right click the tab on your chat, click "Change Filters" and verify that "Errors" is checked. If there is an issue with the icon file it should be generating an error message. You will have to temporarily resize TerrainMap to see the chat as you scroll around to see if any error messages are occurring.

Also, so that I can try to replicate the issue, do you also have MoorMap? If so, what version? This is the only other plugin that interacts with TerrainMap and should not be causing an issue but I want to be sure I am testing with the same environment that you have.
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Annotations gone!

I did not use any special loading procedures (afaik). I clicked on the Download button, and let the Windows extract the zip file into the Plugin folder that I have used before (like for V1.28).

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\Plugins

The plugindata files have data as you describe inside (example of the first one on the list):

C:\Users\darol\OneDrive\Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\PluginData\darold\AllServers

The plugin extracts into "GaranStuff"

TM_Cust_Annot_1_5_29.plugindata (dated 2/2/2021 7:46 PM)

return
{
["1"] = "1_31_7_152_73_55_Treasure%20cache_Found%20by%3a%2 0Nevien"
}

I have Terrainmap load automatically for some characters. I started Nevien and right-clicked the map. The box shows all selected with a check mark except "Show All", "Hide All", and "Barber".

Information in Game Tab (I picked one... lots of Terrainmap usage.)

You are on Landroval server 65 at r2 lx863 ly1527 ox147.05 oy154.63 oz630.05 h5.6. Game timestamp 433198960.515.

I would take a screen shot, if you think one or more would help, but I don't see how to attach any images to messages.

I also turned off auto-load, tried other characters with "/plugin load terrainmap", but still just the Terrainmap POIs. dangit... what am I doing wrong? /plugins list shows 1.29.

I really like that I can see actual terrain now instead of just blank squares! Thanks for a super plugin!
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Re: Annotations gone!

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I updated 1.28 to 1.29. I have been annotating chests and dwarf markers my characters had visited. Now those private annotations are gone. Any way to get them back? Did I do the install incorrectly (overlaid all previous files... isn't that the "correct" way?)!
Hi, sorry to hear you are having a problem. Just updating would not cause the loss of any annotations and updating over the existing installation is the correct thing to do although I usually recommend using Lunarwtr's Plugin Compendium to install and maintain LotRO plugins.
https://www.lotrointerface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=663

The annotations are stored in .pluginData files in the folder
Documents\The Lord of the Rings Online\PluginData\accountName\AllServers
where "Documents" is your "My Documents" folder and "accountName" is the game account name. The files are named "TM_Cust_Annot_R_V_H.pluginData" where R is the region (1-4), V is the vertical row of the tile group and H is the horizontal column of the tile group. Each file holds the annotations for a four tile square of the map. If you have more than one account, you will not see the annotations from another account but any character on the same account should see the annotations for that account.

First, please check that the filter option for Custom Annotations is still enabled. Load the plugin, right click on the plugin and the list of Annotation Icon Types will display - make sure that the entry for "Custom POI" is still checked.

Assuming that "Custom POI" is checked, I will need some additional information to determine what else may have happened. First, please check the folder listed above to determine if your custom annotation files still exist. If they do not, they were deleted by a process other than the update, perhaps accidentally while trying to reset settings for another plugin - it is common for authors to instruct users to delete a settings file (a .pluginData file) if it has become corrupt and is preventing a plugin from loading and users have sometimes deleted the wrong file or too many files. Note, if they were accidentally deleted and you happen to have MoorMap installed and the MM_CustomAnnotation files still exist, they can be used to recreate the TerrainMap Custom Annotation files - if this is the case, let me know.

If the files do still exist, it will be necessary to see if they actually hold any data. Unfortunately, it is normal for some of the Custom Annotation files to be basically empty (no actual data entries) since SSG's Lua does not allow deleting files, just writing empty data, so deleting annotations can cause a file to be basically empty. In File Explorer, please sort the .pluginData files in the folder listed above and open (use Notepad or any other text editor) the first one that starts with TM_Cust_Annot with a string of numbers - that will be the most recently altered custom annotation file and unless you recently deleted annotations, it should hold at least one annotation. Do NOT make any changes to the file. A blank file (one without any valid annotations) looks like:
Code:
return 
{

}
A file with a single annotation will look like:
Code:
return 
{
	["1"] = "1_204_40_183_28_55_Entrance_Entrance%20from%20cellar"
}
Note, it is normal to have a number of "empty" placeholder files if you have deleted any custom annotations so the existance of one or more does not necessarily mean something has gone wrong. If, however, you sort the files by date and look at the most recent files and they are all empty, that would seem to indicate that something went wrong. Please let me know what you find and we can continue from there.

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Annotations gone!

I updated 1.28 to 1.29. I have been annotating chests and dwarf markers my characters had visited. Now those private annotations are gone. Any way to get them back? Did I do the install incorrectly (overlaid all previous files... isn't that the "correct" way?)!
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Ver 1.29

The U28 update is finally uploaded. This includes the tiles for U28 and most of the annotations. Since I have not actually purchased the WoTP "mini" expansion (I really, REALLY disapprove of how it was marketed) not all of the quest/deed item locations are included (since I could not see the items in the live client while running around to determine/verify their locations).

There is a known problem with many of the interior annotations (NPCs and items that are in interior locations) showing in the search results but not displaying at the coordinates of their location's entrance. This is an ongoing project that will take quite a while to complete. Once complete, most interior/instanced annotations will display at the coordinates of the entrance to their instance.

Note: A large number of tiles in older locations were inexplicably removed/updated by SSG, some of them updated with incorrect/duplicate tiles of other locations. These need to be reported to SSG so that they can fix them in the client (if you run to the location in game, you will see that the radar/compass map will display the wrong terrain). If you find any of these locations displayed incorrectly in TerrainMap, report them to SSG and please let me know as well so that I can fix it in TerrainMap until SSG gets around to fixing it correctly in the client.
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Re: Missing Parts of the Map in Minas Mirgul

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Hi

I just arrived with my second character in Minas Morgul and it seems that the plugin Version (as opposed to the Google Map Link) is missing several parts of Minas Morgul. I tried uninstalling and installing it again, but to no avail. The version is 1.28.

It only happens in 1x and 2x resplution. Is there a way to get the complete map data? The same thing is happening in Eldeslade, but since that cam out after the release of 1.28, it should be expected. Strangely, the Wells of Lanfflood are ceompletely there.
Hi,

Thanks for reporting this. This happens anytime that SSG replaces tiles in an older area instead of updating the existing tiles during an update. The plugin uses images from the game client for zoom=1 and 2 (to prevent bloating and more efficient memory handling of images) and pre-zoomed images for zooms further out (which is why the zooms further out haven't been affected). I'll have to take a look at which tiles got replaced and update the plugin.

EDIT: Something has gone catastrophically wrong. I have no idea whether this is a local issue with my files or if the game client was actually changed this drastically (hundreds of tiles scattered across older areas replaced), but this will not be a simple update fix

EDIT2: Well, it seems to be a bit of both. My local files have gotten corrupted somehow so I will have to rebuild from a backup - not sure how much work got lost but it's in the dozens of tiles, not the hundreds, so that's good news - most of northern Rhovanion should be recoverable with a bit of work. Unfortunately, I did verify that a lot of tiles in Eriador, particularly in the Shire and around Bree got replaced so that will take a bit to unravel but most of the changes do appear to be in Mordor. Definitely not how I had pictured spending the next few weeks.

EDIT3: My local corruption has been repaired but I am still searching for the source of the corruption - it seems IRV did something very, very not good which started the mess In the process of rebuilding from backups, I stumbled across a couple of tiles that I have been missing for a long time, so I guess something good came out of this. I still have a dozen or so areas that I have to visit in-game to see if the game client is actually displaying the wrong tile in the compass before I start pulling my hair out scouring the scrap heap of thousands looking for the proverbial needle. Barring any other problems I should have a viable terrain update in a week or so.

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Missing Parts of the Map in Minas Mirgul

Hi

I just arrived with my second character in Minas Morgul and it seems that the plugin Version (as opposed to the Google Map Link) is missing several parts of Minas Morgul. I tried uninstalling and installing it again, but to no avail. The version is 1.28.

It only happens in 1x and 2x resplution. Is there a way to get the complete map data? The same thing is happening in Eldeslade, but since that cam out after the release of 1.28, it should be expected. Strangely, the Wells of Lanfflood are ceompletely there.
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I just realized that the pre-zoomed tiles (zoom 4 and greater) were never updated for the Kingstead Meadows housing. This will be addressed in the next update .

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