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Unread 06-13-2011, 07:14 AM  
Garan
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Originally Posted by egowelt
Thanks for the reply Garan, much appreciated! Annoying that Turbine's coding won't let you post to whatever channel you have open, but you have to work within the limits you're given I guess. And it's great to see you're reconsidering and planning to improve on this awesome work - I should have been clear about that in my first comment... I do think this is an awesome plugin. Can't wait to see the next version, although I appreciate that RL commitments certainly should have preference

Although I've heard some people say that they really dislike this and are afraid it will spiral out of control, I have yet to see the first signs of that. I am well aware that excessive use of Rainbow can be annoying and offensive to people, so imo it's really about using its great features in a low key way. I only use it for two things now: my recruitment message, which is a very elegant and non-obtrusive colour scheme, and a funny message in rainbow colours that I use in Kinship, Fellowship or Raid chat for a laugh sometimes (only when I'm with friends or Kin).

Be aware by the way that I've already been told by someone to stop using it because, as they said, "this plugin is getting banned". I asked them where they got that info and they told me that several people on Laurelin [EN-RP] had told him that. So there are rumours hehe. I actually filed a GM ticket about that and stopped recruiting for a while until GM got back to me - when he did, he assured me that Rainbow is NOT on any list of offenses. Doesn't mean it'll never be, but for now everyone's just fine using it

Lastly, a couple things I hope you'll consider if and when you do get into making an updated version... First, I found the UI confusing. I don't mind having to completely redo a created message if you click a wrong button once. That's something that's an annoyance but you get used to it. If it's easily fixed then I'd suggest to do so, but if not then don't worry about it. What I still don't get though are some of the buttons... I've tried all kinds of ways, but the button Replace doesn't seem to do anything for me (also, despite the notes, I *can't* select text at all in the preview box). Clear does clear out the text in the bottom box, but doesn't remove it from 'memory', so you can still send whatever message you last created. Again: minor issue, but would be more intuitive imho if it did completely clear. And last... if at all possible, I'd LOVE to be able to 'recall' a saved message. For instance: the recruitment message I created - I may want to start using that on another channel some time. As it stands, I have to manually recreate it. Would be awesome to just 'recall' the saved quickslot into the text/preview box, assign a different channel, then assign the whole thing to a new quickslot!

Thanks again, keep up the good work
Thanks for the comments.

I'd be amazed if Turbine actually "banned" a plugin that is not in violation of the ToA. I would understand PEOPLE getting bannded for abusing a plugin to violate the CoC, but that's a matter of HOW the plugin is used, not the plugin itself (plugins don't harass people, people harass people ). Hopefully everyone will remember to use it responsibly and not get themselves in trouble.

The "Replace" button may not be very intuitive. You can use it to fix minor problems like typos in your current message. If you start building a message and then notice something in a prior block that is wrong, like a misspelled word, you can click the block of text in the Preview and that will fill the edit text box with the text from the Preview and the color from it's color - the clicked block will be highlighted in the Preview. You can edit the text or change the color and then click Replace and it will replace the text and change the color of the text in the Preview - unfortunately it won't currently deselect the selection in the preview so it stays highlighted which will obscur the color change. I planned on changing it so that clicking on an already selected block would de-select it but just didn't get around to that. To see the changed text, you can just select a different block which will change the highlighting.

In your message you said you could not select anything in the Preview. I'm not really sure why that would be as it works fine on all of my machines here. I'll try testing it some more when I get a chance.

The Clear button is supposed to clear the quickslot for the "Send" button as well as the Preview - I'll check on that but it definately sounds like a bug.

The ability to recall a previous quickslot's text was already slated for version 1.01 as it's the thing I find most frustrating It's not a particularly difficult thing, I just have to retrieve the quickslot text, parse it and rebuild the Preview window text blocks. Actually, the more difficult task is fixing the Replace button when the size of the text changes since it doesn't currently resize the Preview text block or check for word wrapping or reflow the other text blocks - for instance changing the color of two adjacent blocks to the same color should really merge the blocks if possible but it doesn't currently, nor is there any way currently to split a block or insert a block, both of which are fairly complicated features.

Last edited by Garan : 06-14-2011 at 10:00 AM.
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Unread 06-13-2011, 05:29 AM  
Koios
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Thanks for the reply Garan, much appreciated! Annoying that Turbine's coding won't let you post to whatever channel you have open, but you have to work within the limits you're given I guess. And it's great to see you're reconsidering and planning to improve on this awesome work - I should have been clear about that in my first comment... I do think this is an awesome plugin. Can't wait to see the next version, although I appreciate that RL commitments certainly should have preference

Although I've heard some people say that they really dislike this and are afraid it will spiral out of control, I have yet to see the first signs of that. I am well aware that excessive use of Rainbow can be annoying and offensive to people, so imo it's really about using its great features in a low key way. I only use it for two things now: my recruitment message, which is a very elegant and non-obtrusive colour scheme, and a funny message in rainbow colours that I use in Kinship, Fellowship or Raid chat for a laugh sometimes (only when I'm with friends or Kin).

Be aware by the way that I've already been told by someone to stop using it because, as they said, "this plugin is getting banned". I asked them where they got that info and they told me that several people on Laurelin [EN-RP] had told him that. So there are rumours hehe. I actually filed a GM ticket about that and stopped recruiting for a while until GM got back to me - when he did, he assured me that Rainbow is NOT on any list of offenses. Doesn't mean it'll never be, but for now everyone's just fine using it

Lastly, a couple things I hope you'll consider if and when you do get into making an updated version... First, I found the UI confusing. I don't mind having to completely redo a created message if you click a wrong button once. That's something that's an annoyance but you get used to it. If it's easily fixed then I'd suggest to do so, but if not then don't worry about it. What I still don't get though are some of the buttons... I've tried all kinds of ways, but the button Replace doesn't seem to do anything for me (also, despite the notes, I *can't* select text at all in the preview box). Clear does clear out the text in the bottom box, but doesn't remove it from 'memory', so you can still send whatever message you last created. Again: minor issue, but would be more intuitive imho if it did completely clear. And last... if at all possible, I'd LOVE to be able to 'recall' a saved message. For instance: the recruitment message I created - I may want to start using that on another channel some time. As it stands, I have to manually recreate it. Would be awesome to just 'recall' the saved quickslot into the text/preview box, assign a different channel, then assign the whole thing to a new quickslot!

Thanks again, keep up the good work

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Unread 06-07-2011, 07:35 PM  
Garan
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Originally Posted by egowelt
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not seeing a quickslot bar anywhere. Also, when I select a certain quickslot and press Send, it simply sends whatever message was active last, even after removing that entirely.

Oh and also... quickslots aren't saved for me. When I log off and back on, the slots themselves are still there but they're empty

[EDIT] For some reason the quickslots appeared for me now, and they're correctly displaying their info. It does strike me as odd (and cumbersome) that a quickslot not only has the coloured text in it but also the channel you want to send it to. So if I, for instance, want to post a colourful recruitment message in OOC and LFF in certain areas, I'd have to recreate the same message twice, once for each channel. A simple insert into whatever channel you currently have open would have been better imho.
There does seem to be some issues with the quickslots not appearing initially - I threw this together just for laughs in a couple of hours so it didn't get well tested. Since it seems to be gaining popularity, I will probably have to go back and check on that. There are a number of other important features missing, like the ability to send to channels using the
"FR" and "DE" clients (the chat commands are different for those clients).

The "Send" button is an "instant" message to whatever channel is selected which is why it is graphically associated with the Channel selection and separated from the Quickslot selection. I may change the button label to "Send Now" to even further clarify its function.

Inclusion of the channel in the quickslot was not a choice but a necessity. If the channel is not included, the text goes to the "/say" channel no matter what output channel the user has selected in the chat window. I don't know if this is a bug at Turbine's end or working as intended, but you can verify this behavior with standard quickslots - add an alias to a quickslot without a channel, select a specific output channel and click the quickslot, whatever you put there will go to /say.
For instance, use "/shortcut 1 this is a test" to bind the text "this is a test" to quickslot 1, then choose a specific output channel and press quickslot 1 - you will get "You say, 'this is a test'" in the /say channel. I agree that it would be nice to be able to send text to the currently selected channel with a quickslot, but it simply isn't possible at this time.

Version 1.01 will have additional channel options, including setting your AFK message and a user typed "Other" option. I am also looking into allowing the user to assign a short name to quickslots instead of the generic slot number that currently shows. Unfortunately, I am pretty busy with RL and a few other projects so version 1.01 won't be published for a while.
EDIT: I just found that Rainbow is significantly limited when used with AFK messages If the message is longer than 124 characters, including the embedded <RGB> tags then the message gets corrupted (Turbine apparently escapes the character "#" using a backslash when the message exceeds 124 characters, causing the RGB tag to become invalid)

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Unread 06-03-2011, 09:10 AM  
Koios
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Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not seeing a quickslot bar anywhere. Also, when I select a certain quickslot and press Send, it simply sends whatever message was active last, even after removing that entirely.

Oh and also... quickslots aren't saved for me. When I log off and back on, the slots themselves are still there but they're empty

[EDIT] For some reason the quickslots appeared for me now, and they're correctly displaying their info. It does strike me as odd (and cumbersome) that a quickslot not only has the coloured text in it but also the channel you want to send it to. So if I, for instance, want to post a colourful recruitment message in OOC and LFF in certain areas, I'd have to recreate the same message twice, once for each channel. A simple insert into whatever channel you currently have open would have been better imho.

Last edited by Koios : 06-04-2011 at 09:15 PM.
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Unread 05-31-2011, 06:10 AM  
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I love this plugin
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Unread 05-30-2011, 01:53 PM  
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The internet has come full circle...who here also remembers rainbow chat in mIRC? *grins*

Nice plugin, though. I'm sure some folks will really get a kick out of it.
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