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Unread 05-06-2007, 10:47 AM
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Question Building a new tower - any suggestions?


All priced out from Newegg (as of this post) it'll be $723.

I also need any suggestions on an inexpensive water cooling system. It'll be my first so it needs to have straight forward instructions on how to install it.

I am probably also going to get a new monitor and give my current 19" widescreen to my wife. I'm considering the Sceptre X20WG 20.1" (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112006) but shhh I haven't told her yet!
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Unread 05-06-2007, 12:00 PM
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what suggestion do you actually want? if some of the components you choose are bad or so?
it's a good choice, and it depends on your cash flow of course
(say e.g. getting an 8800 with 640 mb instead)
the only comment about the psu is, do you know the noise level? the data sheet doesn't give any db numbers, or?
i just bought a tagan 600W dual, has 19db background noise, under full load ca 27-29db.

regarding watercooling i would suggest to google and search some of the overclocker sites.
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Unread 05-06-2007, 12:02 PM
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A little advice

Hello,

Here are my suggestions:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188016

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130084

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811156062

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104015

I have had great expierences with EVGA using their best MOBOs and Video Cards. Great telephone support if need be. I have never had an issue with a bad EVGA product, they are always updating their drivers, keeping their products at the top. IMO EVGA is superior to MSI.

The power supply I am suggesting is much more reliable. I have an FSP PSU in a one of my rigs, been great for 1year now.

I would not worry about a liquid cooling system, you can OC your processor minimally if you like with the AMD stock cooling, or just purchase a top end Zalman Heatsink/Fan and OC a little higher. I have 2 rigs, my 1yo has AMD 4200+ that is OC to 2.95g and doesnt break a sweat, and my newer rig using an E6600 at 3.2ghz, they are both on stock cooling. A good case like the one I linked with some added fans is plenty cooling. The 500w PSU that comes with case, either use a s a paper weight or place in your old rig.You really shouldnt need to OC your system, that processor is already somewhat OC'd.

I would not worry about a Soundcard right now, and if you wait to upgrade sound later grab an Audigy4, much better and not much more money.

Where are your Harddrives?

I have 2 extreme gaming rigs that I built, and I never had prior expierences building.
My first is just over 1yo:
AMD [email protected]
DFI Lan-Party SDi-DR
2x Gskill RAM
2x 7800GTX EVGA GPUs
2x 150G Barracuda HDD 7200RPM in RAID 0
FSP 680W PSU

3DMARK06 score: 6600

MY 3 month old rig:
Intel [email protected]
EVGA 680i MOBO
4x Corsair Dominator SLi RAM
2x EVGA 8800GTXs
2x 150G Raptors 10000RPM in RAID 0
500G Seagate 7200 Media Drive
BFG 1000w PSU
Audigy4 Soundcard

3DMARK06 score: 14680

I hope this helps you some, building a personal rig is very exciting.

PS: Dont forget Arctic Silver 5 to use as your Heatsink paste.

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what suggestion do you actually want? if some of the components you choose are bad or so?
Exactly what I'm looking for. Just checking to see if anyone has had bad experiences with certain manufacturers or if they know if a comparably priced item (or within $30 or so) that would be a better buy. My budget is right around the $800 mark. I do want to get an 8800GTS, I may spring for the 320mb card.
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Where are your Harddrives?

I have 2 extreme gaming rigs that I built, and I never had prior expierences building.
My first is just over 1yo:
AMD [email protected]
DFI Lan-Party SDi-DR
2x Gskill RAM
2x 7800GTX EVGA GPUs
2x 150G Barracuda HDD 7200RPM in RAID 0
FSP 680W PSU

3DMARK06 score: 6600

MY 3 month old rig:
Intel [email protected]
EVGA 680i MOBO
4x Corsair Dominator SLi RAM
2x EVGA 8800GTXs
2x 150G Raptors 10000RPM in RAID 0
500G Seagate 7200 Media Drive
BFG 1000w PSU
Audigy4 Soundcard

3DMARK06 score: 14680

I hope this helps you some, building a personal rig is very exciting.

PS: Dont forget Arctic Silver 5 to use as your Heatsink paste.
I am using my existing hard drives for now. Its a 160gb Seagate 7200. That second rig you got is awesome; I wish I had the money to build that. Well, I do, but my wife would murder me if I built that.

I have been a hardcore AMD user since the first 486 I bought (pre-built HP system that cost like $3000 back in the early 90s OMG!) and haven't touched an Intel processer. Several people have suggested the e6600 because it outperforms the AMD, but I haven't been convinced that its significant enough that I want to ditch AMD. Besides, it doesn't take a e6600 to play LOTRO at ultra-quality, methinks.

The other thing I'm considering is that I will personally only be using this rig for about four months. I'm moving my family to Tokyo in October and I will be building another computer once I get there. I figure in the Akihabara I should be able to get some crazy good deals on equipment, and with four months of saving and I should be able to build a dream machine. My wife will inherit the system I'm building now.

Oh and btw, I was torn between the MSI and that exact same EVGA board (I have both printed out). You think its worth the extra $30?
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Unread 05-07-2007, 05:55 AM
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I would step up to the Athlon 64 X2 5600+ it is ~10$ more (If you stick with AMD.) {I would swap to the Intel E6600, not much in the AMD line really compares and it was ~230 at NewEgg last week. Couple that with the MSI P965 Platinum ~135, of course that does jump the price up some overall }

Check out Tom's Hardware CPU Charts for good comparison, just have to pick the proper benchmark and chips.

As far as EVGA, the have a reputation for quality products and very good - excellent customer support.

Also, there are several cases (at NewEgg) that come with basic water cooling equipment. Not sure how good the directions are though. As mentioned previously, check the Overclocker boards, several have good walkthroughs / FAQs on watercooling for the beginner.

Good luck with the build and the move.
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I haven't built anything in about a year now so my suggestions would be pretty outdated (Athlon 64 X2 3800 ), but I'd say the biggest risk you have is with a monitor. I looked at a lot of them before settling on an ASUS MW221U 22". I looked at ACER and SCEPTRE too. The SCEPTRE promised the most, but I crossed it off my list as they just weren't a "proven" brand name. I found little info on people with experience with SCEPTRE, so decided to go with ASUS as they have performed flawlessly for me before rather than take a risk.

You have good choices on your other stuff -- functional yet cheap.

If you need a case, this thing is godly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119077

I wouldn't worry about a sound card. If you do, grab an Audigy4. The best way to improve sound quality is with a good set of speakers rather than a card, but you may not need an upgrade there.

Anyways, if it's rated highly at Newegg, it's really hard to go wrong with what you choose. Smart move by not going top of the line until later.

Oh yeah, you shouldn't need watercooling for such a lightweight PC unless it's just for practice for a later system.
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Unread 05-07-2007, 06:27 PM
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I would definately go with the 8800 instead of the 8600. From what i could find through my own resrearch the 8600 series was a let down across the board.

for another 50-100$ ur going to get twice the video card in a 8800 320mb
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I think I convinced my wife on the extra $100 for an 8800. We just moved (I know, I know, and we're moving again in a few months) and with the money we got from the move (DITY moves are the gold of the military btw) and our deposit back from our old home, we are kind of rolling in cash atm. Of course, smart people would pay off credit cards with it.

but where's the fun in that!
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Well, here is what I ended up with, should be here by Friday.

VGA EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR 8800GTS - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$279.99)
CPU COOLER ZALMAN|CNPS 8000 RTL - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$44.99)
MB FOXCON C51XEM2AA- 8EKRS2H 590SLI - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$99.99)
PSU FSPGROUP|FX 700-GLN 700W 20+4 R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$129.99)
CPU AMD|A64 X2 5600 2.8G AM2 2x1M % - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$174.99)
FLASH 2G|PAT FLDRV PEF2G200USB R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$29.99)
MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$94.99)
MNTR SCEPTRE|LCD 22" 2MSX22WG-1080P - Retail (Qty=1, Price=$249.99)
CPU THERMPASTE|ARCTIC SILVER5 3.5G% - OEM (Qty=1, Price=$5.99)

Total was $1139 with shipping.
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